1 00:00:00,790 --> 00:00:07,320 [Music] 2 00:00:12,740 --> 00:00:09,250 [Applause] 3 00:00:16,580 --> 00:00:12,750 Thank You per se and please stick around 4 00:00:20,330 --> 00:00:16,590 for the discussion after my talk so I 5 00:00:23,570 --> 00:00:20,340 want to kind of talk about salts and 6 00:00:25,730 --> 00:00:23,580 wrap them up across the solar system so 7 00:00:29,090 --> 00:00:25,740 this morning we had a discussion about 8 00:00:31,130 --> 00:00:29,100 brines predominantly here on earth and 9 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:31,140 habitability there we talked a lot about 10 00:00:36,290 --> 00:00:33,570 Mars in this session I will also talk 11 00:00:39,740 --> 00:00:36,300 about Mars but also thinking into 12 00:00:42,610 --> 00:00:39,750 further in across the solar system so 13 00:00:46,130 --> 00:00:42,620 here I have two images on the left is 14 00:00:48,619 --> 00:00:46,140 Columbus crater on Mars and it's one of 15 00:00:53,060 --> 00:00:48,629 these great Paleo Lake examples you can 16 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:53,070 even see the salt ring deposited as a 17 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:55,530 bathtub ring as it evaporated and then 18 00:01:00,200 --> 00:00:56,850 on the right you wrote by which I'll 19 00:01:02,329 --> 00:01:00,210 talk a little bit about as well so first 20 00:01:04,340 --> 00:01:02,339 very briefly if you're in this session 21 00:01:07,100 --> 00:01:04,350 you probably know about salts but 22 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:07,110 chlorine salts in particular have a wide 23 00:01:13,550 --> 00:01:10,530 variety of flavors we have chlorides 24 00:01:17,029 --> 00:01:13,560 which is just CL minus all the way up to 25 00:01:20,060 --> 00:01:17,039 the highly oxidated perchlorate CLO 4 26 00:01:24,260 --> 00:01:20,070 I'll just note that hypochlorite that's 27 00:01:28,010 --> 00:01:24,270 bleach NaCl o is bleach chlorite these 28 00:01:29,630 --> 00:01:28,020 are both very they're not very stable so 29 00:01:31,789 --> 00:01:29,640 they're mostly intermediate processes 30 00:01:34,459 --> 00:01:31,799 into the formation of chlorate and 31 00:01:36,770 --> 00:01:34,469 perchlorate which are fairly equally 32 00:01:38,779 --> 00:01:36,780 stable so during formation you end up 33 00:01:41,539 --> 00:01:38,789 with both chlorate and perchlorate in 34 00:01:42,919 --> 00:01:41,549 about equal amounts everywhere you find 35 00:01:45,709 --> 00:01:42,929 one you find the other and just about 36 00:01:47,090 --> 00:01:45,719 equal amounts so the things the three 37 00:01:49,399 --> 00:01:47,100 cells that were most interested in are 38 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:49,409 going to be chlorides chlorates 39 00:01:53,389 --> 00:01:52,170 and perchlorates and the reason that 40 00:01:55,639 --> 00:01:53,399 it's really important to distinguish 41 00:01:56,929 --> 00:01:55,649 between the different types of chlorine 42 00:02:00,020 --> 00:01:56,939 salts and the different types of salts 43 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:00,030 in general is because they all have a 44 00:02:04,399 --> 00:02:01,890 different effect on the activity of 45 00:02:06,830 --> 00:02:04,409 water freezing point and just the 46 00:02:09,590 --> 00:02:06,840 general stability and habitability so 47 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:09,600 here you can see a table of different 48 00:02:15,770 --> 00:02:11,610 salts and their eutectic temperatures 49 00:02:18,259 --> 00:02:15,780 which is just one of many things that 50 00:02:20,899 --> 00:02:18,269 affect habitability but obviously when 51 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:20,909 we start talking about the solar system 52 00:02:24,950 --> 00:02:22,530 getting to temperatures where 53 00:02:29,180 --> 00:02:24,960 water can exist that's kind of you know 54 00:02:30,860 --> 00:02:29,190 step zero step one and sulfates and 55 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:30,870 carbonates which have been the 56 00:02:34,700 --> 00:02:33,570 predominant salts found across the solar 57 00:02:37,220 --> 00:02:34,710 system on Mars 58 00:02:39,260 --> 00:02:37,230 Europa they don't lower the freezing 59 00:02:41,870 --> 00:02:39,270 point as much as chlorine salts do and 60 00:02:43,610 --> 00:02:41,880 you can see here as has been much talked 61 00:02:45,350 --> 00:02:43,620 about in this session calcium 62 00:02:47,900 --> 00:02:45,360 perchlorate down here at the very bottom 63 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:47,910 at 198 Kelvin but you can see even some 64 00:02:54,199 --> 00:02:50,370 of the other magnesium chlorate and 65 00:02:56,420 --> 00:02:54,209 perchlorate calcium chloride etc going 66 00:02:59,780 --> 00:02:56,430 up here my knees iam sulfate a much 67 00:03:03,140 --> 00:02:59,790 favored salt on both Mars and Europe a 68 00:03:06,590 --> 00:03:03,150 seen in a lot of places it only lowers 69 00:03:08,270 --> 00:03:06,600 it by four so it's not as it doesn't 70 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:08,280 extend the stability range as much as 71 00:03:11,900 --> 00:03:10,410 some of the other chlorine salts and 72 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:11,910 then of course chlorine salts can also 73 00:03:17,420 --> 00:03:15,090 be a source of energy here's just a 74 00:03:20,449 --> 00:03:17,430 diagram to kind of visually represent 75 00:03:24,620 --> 00:03:20,459 this so of course on earth we have pure 76 00:03:28,220 --> 00:03:24,630 liquid water freezes at zero C it boils 77 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:28,230 at 100 unless you live in Flagstaff I do 78 00:03:36,289 --> 00:03:33,450 and then I boils at 93 Celsius and this 79 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:36,299 is exactly why the stability on Mars is 80 00:03:39,860 --> 00:03:38,370 so reduced because the boiling point is 81 00:03:42,890 --> 00:03:39,870 dependent on pressure ya mysteric 82 00:03:46,250 --> 00:03:42,900 pressure and so on Mars the sir the 83 00:03:48,949 --> 00:03:46,260 boiling point is only 10 C however if 84 00:03:51,259 --> 00:03:48,959 you look at a saturated a eutectic 85 00:03:52,670 --> 00:03:51,269 composition of magnesium perchlorate you 86 00:03:55,430 --> 00:03:52,680 can get freezing temperatures down to 87 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:55,440 minus 67 Celsius and you actually also 88 00:04:01,280 --> 00:03:57,930 extend the boiling temperature up to 24 89 00:04:03,350 --> 00:04:01,290 C so you're really extending the range 90 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:03,360 of stability in both directions for 91 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:07,530 temperature and just for comparison this 92 00:04:12,229 --> 00:04:08,970 would be like magnesium sulfate it 93 00:04:15,319 --> 00:04:12,239 doesn't extend the the boiling point at 94 00:04:19,580 --> 00:04:15,329 all and as I mentioned only four degrees 95 00:04:23,090 --> 00:04:19,590 below pure so another example of why 96 00:04:24,530 --> 00:04:23,100 salts are so cool is this deliquescent 97 00:04:28,010 --> 00:04:24,540 thing that everyone's been talking about 98 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:28,020 so here's a video of it this was taken 99 00:04:32,570 --> 00:04:30,090 in a chamber at the University of 100 00:04:36,619 --> 00:04:32,580 Arkansas and this is magnesium 101 00:04:39,409 --> 00:04:36,629 perchlorate you can see it's actually 102 00:04:42,619 --> 00:04:39,419 you know fairly humid it's fairly warm 103 00:04:44,809 --> 00:04:42,629 and I will note this is an 18 hour time 104 00:04:47,450 --> 00:04:44,819 lapse so as we start over from the 105 00:04:50,899 --> 00:04:47,460 beginning you can see that the droplets 106 00:04:53,510 --> 00:04:50,909 start to form almost immediately but it 107 00:04:55,820 --> 00:04:53,520 does take over the course of 18 hours 108 00:04:58,390 --> 00:04:55,830 you still don't have all of it 109 00:05:00,589 --> 00:04:58,400 deliquescent and this is at a very high 110 00:05:03,260 --> 00:05:00,599 much higher than the deliquescent 111 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:03,270 relative humidity that we've seen in 112 00:05:06,730 --> 00:05:04,530 some of these other talks in a much 113 00:05:09,439 --> 00:05:06,740 warmer temperature so even at these 114 00:05:12,140 --> 00:05:09,449 relatively benign conditions it still 115 00:05:16,850 --> 00:05:12,150 takes almost a day for the majority of 116 00:05:19,189 --> 00:05:16,860 the salt to Delic west so thinking about 117 00:05:22,300 --> 00:05:19,199 whether life can even utilize these 118 00:05:25,969 --> 00:05:22,310 salts or tolerate you know there's been 119 00:05:28,850 --> 00:05:25,979 a lot of discussion in the earth 120 00:05:30,439 --> 00:05:28,860 community about that microbial community 121 00:05:33,019 --> 00:05:30,449 has been found to thrive and my knees 122 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:33,029 and chloride rich brines this was down 123 00:05:42,260 --> 00:05:38,849 to an activity of 0.63 I will note that 124 00:05:43,969 --> 00:05:42,270 they found sodium and this whole fate in 125 00:05:46,339 --> 00:05:43,979 there as well so that could have a 126 00:05:49,219 --> 00:05:46,349 mediating effect on this magnesium 127 00:05:51,230 --> 00:05:49,229 chloride so again activity is not the 128 00:05:52,939 --> 00:05:51,240 end-all be-all determination for 129 00:05:57,230 --> 00:05:52,949 habitability of the brines 130 00:06:00,589 --> 00:05:57,240 but still having them you know seeing 131 00:06:03,369 --> 00:06:00,599 where we can extend the limits we've 132 00:06:09,019 --> 00:06:03,379 seen bacteria metabolize down to 18% 133 00:06:12,529 --> 00:06:09,029 NaCl and - 25 C and then one of the my 134 00:06:14,829 --> 00:06:12,539 favorite stories stories telling this 135 00:06:22,670 --> 00:06:14,839 picture here is hey light crusts and so 136 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:22,680 this Davila at all 2008 one here 137 00:06:27,860 --> 00:06:25,289 went to the Atacama Desert and measured 138 00:06:29,570 --> 00:06:27,870 basically how many times it rained in a 139 00:06:32,809 --> 00:06:29,580 year and they found that it rained once 140 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:32,819 and so that's about six hours total of 141 00:06:36,860 --> 00:06:35,610 liquid water event however in these 142 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:36,870 halite crystals 143 00:06:41,629 --> 00:06:38,490 we've talked a lot about deliquescent 144 00:06:43,730 --> 00:06:41,639 this is just NaCl the relative humidity 145 00:06:45,350 --> 00:06:43,740 the deliquescent relative humidity is 75 146 00:06:49,830 --> 00:06:45,360 percent so the amount of times that it 147 00:06:54,290 --> 00:06:49,840 crossed 75 percent relative mini was 57 148 00:06:57,750 --> 00:06:54,300 so 57 events where there it was liquid 149 00:07:00,450 --> 00:06:57,760 inside these hey light crusts for the 150 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:00,460 microbes to utilize that water versus 151 00:07:08,070 --> 00:07:05,290 one event of rainfall outside of it and 152 00:07:11,700 --> 00:07:08,080 then there's examples of perchlorate and 153 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:11,710 chlorate reducing bacteria so chlorine 154 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:14,970 salts are pretty interesting and 155 00:07:20,340 --> 00:07:17,530 potentially tolerable to some sorts of 156 00:07:22,830 --> 00:07:20,350 life so where have these chlorine salts 157 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:22,840 been found in particular perchlorates so 158 00:07:26,190 --> 00:07:24,130 they've been measured by the Phoenix 159 00:07:29,060 --> 00:07:26,200 mission by the wet chemistry lab and 160 00:07:32,970 --> 00:07:29,070 then in Gale Crater by curiosity on 161 00:07:35,190 --> 00:07:32,980 earth as mentioned they are pretty rare 162 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:35,200 in fact accumulating only in these hyper 163 00:07:40,260 --> 00:07:37,330 arid environments like the Antarctic 164 00:07:42,990 --> 00:07:40,270 Atacama Desert or u.s. Southwest and 165 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:43,000 they tend to be formed by oxidation so 166 00:07:46,830 --> 00:07:45,010 how do we find them unless we actually 167 00:07:50,790 --> 00:07:46,840 send a mission there and so one way 168 00:07:53,220 --> 00:07:50,800 would be through remote sensing and if 169 00:07:55,770 --> 00:07:53,230 you look at the spectral comparison of 170 00:07:58,830 --> 00:07:55,780 different hydrated salts here on the 171 00:08:01,890 --> 00:07:58,840 left you have in green so first I'll say 172 00:08:04,500 --> 00:08:01,900 this is the near-infrared from 1 to 2.5 173 00:08:07,530 --> 00:08:04,510 microns and reflectance on the y axis in 174 00:08:10,770 --> 00:08:07,540 green you have Epsom ight and in purple 175 00:08:13,770 --> 00:08:10,780 you have bischoff it-- so you can see 176 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:13,780 that the spectral features are actually 177 00:08:18,300 --> 00:08:15,970 very similar to each other and this is 178 00:08:22,260 --> 00:08:18,310 because you're looking at a magnesium 179 00:08:24,510 --> 00:08:22,270 ion wrapped with six or seven waters and 180 00:08:26,610 --> 00:08:24,520 then the anions are actually outside of 181 00:08:28,590 --> 00:08:26,620 it so you're actually really looking at 182 00:08:31,500 --> 00:08:28,600 hydration state that is the dominant 183 00:08:33,990 --> 00:08:31,510 feature in the near infrared spectra of 184 00:08:35,670 --> 00:08:34,000 different hydrated salts and then again 185 00:08:39,030 --> 00:08:35,680 on the right here you can see gypsum 186 00:08:40,230 --> 00:08:39,040 which is a classic spectrum everyone who 187 00:08:44,850 --> 00:08:40,240 sees the spectrum of judgment goes 188 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:44,860 that's gypsum except magnesium chlorate 189 00:08:51,290 --> 00:08:48,130 to h2o also has this triplet at 1.4 190 00:08:54,900 --> 00:08:51,300 microns and it also has a really weird 191 00:08:57,180 --> 00:08:54,910 1.9 feature there are differences I'm 192 00:08:59,820 --> 00:08:57,190 not saying that one is necessarily being 193 00:09:01,470 --> 00:08:59,830 confused for the other but when we go to 194 00:09:02,879 --> 00:09:01,480 send missions to other planets we need 195 00:09:05,129 --> 00:09:02,889 to be very careful to have 196 00:09:07,139 --> 00:09:05,139 enough resolution and looking at the 197 00:09:10,019 --> 00:09:07,149 context to understand and make sure that 198 00:09:13,889 --> 00:09:10,029 we're seeing the right salts so to that 199 00:09:15,749 --> 00:09:13,899 end I've been relooking at some classic 200 00:09:18,539 --> 00:09:15,759 salty spectra as I mentioned before 201 00:09:20,789 --> 00:09:18,549 there's a Columbus crater here on Mars 202 00:09:24,090 --> 00:09:20,799 again you can see the very nice bathtub 203 00:09:26,789 --> 00:09:24,100 ring and here to zoom and image of it 204 00:09:28,799 --> 00:09:26,799 and if we zoom in even further again 205 00:09:31,949 --> 00:09:28,809 here's that bathtub ring and we can map 206 00:09:35,039 --> 00:09:31,959 the water the hydration feature that 1.9 207 00:09:37,109 --> 00:09:35,049 micron feature and start to pull out 208 00:09:42,509 --> 00:09:37,119 what some of the interesting spectra 209 00:09:46,710 --> 00:09:42,519 might look like thank you so we can see 210 00:09:48,629 --> 00:09:46,720 that there's different there's a lot of 211 00:09:50,699 --> 00:09:48,639 variability even when we just look at 212 00:09:54,539 --> 00:09:50,709 anything that has a hydration band and 213 00:09:56,099 --> 00:09:54,549 so again here this might be one of those 214 00:09:59,220 --> 00:09:56,109 ones that people say aha 215 00:10:01,379 --> 00:09:59,230 it's gypsum so if we zoom in on it 216 00:10:04,530 --> 00:10:01,389 further and we can compare start to 217 00:10:07,319 --> 00:10:04,540 compare it to other salts that have 218 00:10:08,759 --> 00:10:07,329 similar features to it and then what 219 00:10:10,919 --> 00:10:08,769 we're what we're trying to do is 220 00:10:12,900 --> 00:10:10,929 actually create some new parameters that 221 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:12,910 will help us identify and distinguish 222 00:10:18,199 --> 00:10:16,689 between the different salts so since I 223 00:10:21,509 --> 00:10:18,209 have less than two minutes to go down 224 00:10:23,519 --> 00:10:21,519 I'll quickly move on to the outer solar 225 00:10:27,869 --> 00:10:23,529 system and just say that temperature 226 00:10:32,729 --> 00:10:27,879 also affects the spectra and you can see 227 00:10:35,789 --> 00:10:32,739 here there's three pairs of spectra my 228 00:10:37,650 --> 00:10:35,799 knees and chloride to h2o for h2o and 62 229 00:10:40,289 --> 00:10:37,660 and we have the 80 Kelvin which is 230 00:10:41,999 --> 00:10:40,299 Europa relevant temperature and then the 231 00:10:44,460 --> 00:10:42,009 room temperature one and I'll just maybe 232 00:10:46,590 --> 00:10:44,470 zoom in on this little area here you can 233 00:10:48,569 --> 00:10:46,600 see that at room temperature it's kind 234 00:10:50,879 --> 00:10:48,579 of more of a shoulder whereas at 80 235 00:10:53,369 --> 00:10:50,889 Kelvin it's actually a triplet and more 236 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:53,379 of a real band and this is again because 237 00:10:58,379 --> 00:10:54,850 as I was saying you have the magnesium 238 00:10:59,639 --> 00:10:58,389 and you have six waters octahedrally 239 00:11:01,439 --> 00:10:59,649 coordinated to it and you're actually 240 00:11:03,269 --> 00:11:01,449 seeing the pairs of vibrations so you're 241 00:11:04,919 --> 00:11:03,279 narrowing the features as you go to 242 00:11:07,499 --> 00:11:04,929 colder temperature and really starting 243 00:11:11,069 --> 00:11:07,509 to resolve the individual features to it 244 00:11:13,439 --> 00:11:11,079 so thinking about Europa there's been a 245 00:11:15,870 --> 00:11:13,449 lot about the non icy component which 246 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:15,880 would be these red regions on the 247 00:11:23,610 --> 00:11:21,370 right and long story short some 248 00:11:25,290 --> 00:11:23,620 telescopic observations were done using 249 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:25,300 that laboratory spectra that I just 250 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:28,330 showed and they found up to on the right 251 00:11:35,340 --> 00:11:30,850 here 35 weight percent of magnesium 252 00:11:39,810 --> 00:11:35,350 chlorine salts in the non icy regions 253 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:39,820 and about 15 weight percent of magnesium 254 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:41,530 perchlorate and then you know so the 255 00:11:45,660 --> 00:11:43,210 chlorine and the chloride are actually 256 00:11:47,550 --> 00:11:45,670 not necessarily co-located but typically 257 00:11:51,420 --> 00:11:47,560 in the non icy region 258 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:51,430 so to summarize thinking about how to 259 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:54,010 find chlorine salts which of course will 260 00:11:58,740 --> 00:11:56,290 help us elucidate the habitability of 261 00:12:01,020 --> 00:11:58,750 any planet that we're going to spectral 262 00:12:03,990 --> 00:12:01,030 libraries are needed at a range of 263 00:12:07,650 --> 00:12:04,000 hydration States wavelength ranges and 264 00:12:14,010 --> 00:12:07,660 temperatures to be able to actually 265 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:14,020 identify these salts and yes I said all 266 00:12:20,220 --> 00:12:16,090 that so I'll just go on to the summary 267 00:12:21,780 --> 00:12:20,230 which is that the chlorine Sol's do tend 268 00:12:24,390 --> 00:12:21,790 to be globally distributed Mars we've 269 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:24,400 seen them across different ranges and we 270 00:12:28,290 --> 00:12:25,930 do think that we can actually start to 271 00:12:29,310 --> 00:12:28,300 identify them with our new special 272 00:12:32,940 --> 00:12:29,320 parameters 273 00:12:35,220 --> 00:12:32,950 Europa's non icy non sulfuric acid 274 00:12:37,050 --> 00:12:35,230 component likely includes chlorine salts 275 00:12:39,690 --> 00:12:37,060 and it's important to differentiate 276 00:12:41,850 --> 00:12:39,700 between between the chlorides and 277 00:12:44,580 --> 00:12:41,860 perchlorates between chlorine salts and 278 00:12:46,680 --> 00:12:44,590 sulfates because all these salts have 279 00:12:49,650 --> 00:12:46,690 vastly different effects on the 280 00:12:53,100 --> 00:12:49,660 habitability and stability of the liquid 281 00:12:57,170 --> 00:12:53,110 water thank you 282 00:13:00,570 --> 00:12:57,180 [Applause] 283 00:13:08,270 --> 00:13:00,580 time for questions for Jen if anyone 284 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:08,280 wants to come up does anyone dare it's 285 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:16,700 Marty low risk it I think I can it stand 286 00:13:23,670 --> 00:13:21,130 hi Jen a multi-party JPL wonderful talk 287 00:13:27,090 --> 00:13:23,680 and also the video that you showed in 288 00:13:31,750 --> 00:13:27,100 the vetting or 289 00:13:33,790 --> 00:13:31,760 other questions yeah do you think that 290 00:13:36,070 --> 00:13:33,800 the grain size will also play an 291 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:36,080 important role in respecting property 292 00:13:40,930 --> 00:13:38,210 absolutely I did not mention it I should 293 00:13:43,470 --> 00:13:40,940 have absolutely if so I want to pitch in 294 00:13:47,079 --> 00:13:43,480 here that we there's an excellent 295 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:47,089 graduate student from Alyssia who is who 296 00:13:51,820 --> 00:13:49,610 has built two instrument in our lab we 297 00:13:55,300 --> 00:13:51,830 are trying to do grain size dependent 298 00:14:03,790 --> 00:13:55,310 spectroscopy under irradiation for any 299 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:03,800 kind of icy material great hi I'm 300 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:05,450 Marshall satinsky from University of 301 00:14:09,070 --> 00:14:07,730 Washington and I just wanted to thank 302 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:09,080 you for going into the detail about the 303 00:14:13,090 --> 00:14:10,490 salts at the start because part of the 304 00:14:14,980 --> 00:14:13,100 joy of apps icon is I'm not an expert in 305 00:14:16,060 --> 00:14:14,990 salts and this is session that I wanted 306 00:14:18,519 --> 00:14:16,070 to go to because it's something that I 307 00:14:19,930 --> 00:14:18,529 want to shore up some of that gaps in my 308 00:14:21,340 --> 00:14:19,940 understanding so those sorts of things 309 00:14:24,540 --> 00:14:21,350 are very helpful for me and I'm sure not 310 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:24,550 the only one my pleasure thank you and 311 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:27,410 with that let's give her a round of